[mantisbt-dev] MantisBT Logo

[P Richards]

When we originally changed the logo for Mantis in 2012, my understanding was
that we would be putting a copy of the logo in VECTOR format for people to
use in the source repository.



Following damien's comment @
https://github.com/mantisbt/mantisbt/pull/328#issuecomment-57475687 , I'm
concerned whether as a team we now own and have royalty-free access to our
current logo.



As an open source project that can be developed by different people and
other time the team has and I'm sure will continue to change, we should
ensure that our logo is in the public domain.



When we originally discussed the logo before @
http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=7994 - we had a number of offers
from users to design for free a logo in the public domain and to give it to
us in vector format.



So given damien's comment back to me, and roland's request back in February
2012 below about having the logo available so we can freely modify it.



I have a simple question:



Is the current logo a free logo that can be made available in Vector format?
If not, I suggest we reopen issue 7994 and look into designing a logo that
is completely free for our use.



I work in a school and have some students and work colleagues that would
happily design a logo in vector format that would be royalty free and in the
public domain for our use if for some reason the existing logo cannot be
made available. In an ideal world, I'd hope that it is the case that the
logo we picked in 2012 was indeed a publicly available logo that was free
for our use for any purposes. At least, indeed this was what I was led to
believe when Victor originally emailed about the new logo and stated: "In
the issue you will find the old proposals, the new proposals, the guidelines
that I wrote about what we want," referring to the guidelines that stated:



"- The logo should be available in image and vector formats (e.g. PNG, Adobe
Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator)"



Victor: could you send a copy of the logo in Vector Format to the mailing
list, as per the original intention ?



Thanks

Paul





From: Roland Becker [mailto:***@atrol.de]
Sent: 09 February 2012 09:32
To: developer discussions
Subject: Re: [mantisbt-dev] Misleading descriptions of MantisBT forks at
github

1. Logo in Vector Format - I'll have the logo in Adobe Illustrator format

as well as PNG format.

Please also SVG , so we could use open source solutions like Inkscape to
modify whatever we want.
At least it will show us whether Illustrator SVG export and Inkscape's PNG
rendering will produce the same result.
If the Inkscape output is different (I don't expect a 100% bit identical
output), but what you can see is ok, we should use this one.

[Robert Munteanu]

Post by P Richards
Victor: could you send a copy of the logo in Vector Format to the mailing
list, as per the original intention ?

Or rather please check it in the git repository.

Robert

[Victor Boctor]

The vector graphics are available for use by the project, and I gave the logo to Damien before to set avatar on some site, but I just wasn’t sure about having in the mantisbt repository without having usage guidelines in place.

We can go with any of the following options:

1. Share it in the mantibt-tools repository
2. Share it in a private git repository
3. Share it and distribute it with mantisbt

We should publish the logo and usage guidelines for the logo at the same time. For example, can other sites alter the logo, does it have to link back to our website, can it be printed on merchandise, etc. I haven’t done the research to see what other projects are doing in this space. But seems like Paul is motivated to do the research.

Thoughts?

When we originally changed the logo for Mantis in 2012, my understanding was that we would be putting a copy of the logo in VECTOR format for people to use in the source repository.
As an open source project that can be developed by different people and other time the team has and I’m sure will continue to change, we should ensure that our logo is in the public domain.
So given damien’s comment back to me, and roland’s request back in February 2012 below about having the logo available so we can freely modify it.
Is the current logo a free logo that can be made available in Vector format? If not, I suggest we reopen issue 7994 and look into designing a logo that is completely free for our use.
“- The logo should be available in image and vector formats (e.g. PNG, Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator)”
Victor: could you send a copy of the logo in Vector Format to the mailing list, as per the original intention ?
Thanks
Paul
Sent: 09 February 2012 09:32
To: developer discussions
Subject: Re: [mantisbt-dev] Misleading descriptions of MantisBT forks at github

1. Logo in Vector Format - I'll have the logo in Adobe Illustrator format as well as PNG format.

Please also SVG , so we could use open source solutions like Inkscape to modify whatever we want.
At least it will show us whether Illustrator SVG export and Inkscape's PNG rendering will produce the same result.
If the Inkscape output is different (I don't expect a 100% bit identical output), but what you can see is ok, we should use this one.
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[Paul Richards]

One of the "issues" here is the loosely defined definition of
'team/mantisbt', and equally a lack of trademark over the word mantis

For an opensource project that has a corporate entity e.g. wordpress, or a
officially defined 'trust', it's easy - you state that any queries over
logo use needs to be licensed by said corporate entity.

So far, we've put a logo as a png in the repository (where we state the
repository is GPL licensed) and haven't done anything separate for the logo.

On the forum atrol's given the following advice previously:
http://mantisbt.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22230&p=54875&hilit=logo#p54875

Damien/Myself have previously said the following: (and assumed the logo is
gpl)
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bug-tracking.mantis.general/3510/match=logo
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bug-tracking.mantis.general/3512/match=logo

and previously you've given users the ok to do colour modifications to the
logo:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bug-tracking.mantis.general/839/match=logo

I will try and do some proper research when I'm not at work, however whilst
I think it's fairly obvious what we allow, equally where we are not an
officially registered group with an officially registered trademark, or
backed by a corporate entity etc etc, it probably actually makes it harder.

At the moment, we currently define everything back to "MantisBT Team", as
the overriding entity, which is a loosely defined term.

Paul

Post by Victor Boctor
The vector graphics are available for use by the project, and I gave the
logo to Damien before to set avatar on some site, but I just wasn’t sure
about having in the mantisbt repository without having usage guidelines in
place.
1. Share it in the mantibt-tools repository
2. Share it in a private git repository
3. Share it and distribute it with mantisbt
We should publish the logo and usage guidelines for the logo at the same
time. For example, can other sites alter the logo, does it have to link
back to our website, can it be printed on merchandise, etc. I haven’t done
the research to see what other projects are doing in this space. But seems
like Paul is motivated to do the research.
Thoughts?
When we originally changed the logo for Mantis in 2012, my understanding
was that we would be putting a copy of the logo in VECTOR format for people
to use in the source repository.
https://github.com/mantisbt/mantisbt/pull/328#issuecomment-57475687 , I’m
concerned whether as a team we now own and have royalty-free access to our
current logo.
As an open source project that can be developed by different people and
other time the team has and I’m sure will continue to change, we should
ensure that our logo is in the public domain.
http://www.mantisbt.org/bugs/view.php?id=7994 – we had a number of offers
from users to design for free a logo in the public domain and to give it to
us in vector format.
So given damien’s comment back to me, and roland’s request back in
February 2012 below about having the logo available so we can freely modify
it.
Is the current logo a free logo that can be made available in Vector
format? If not, I suggest we reopen issue 7994 and look into designing a
logo that is completely free for our use.
I work in a school and have some students and work colleagues that would
happily design a logo in vector format that would be royalty free and in
the public domain for our use if for some reason the existing logo cannot
be made available. In an ideal world, I’d hope that it is the case that the
logo we picked in 2012 was indeed a publicly available logo that was free
for our use for any purposes. At least, indeed this was what I was led to
believe when Victor originally emailed about the new logo and stated: “In
the issue you will find the old proposals, the new proposals, the
guidelines that I wrote about what we want,” referring to the guidelines
“- The logo should be available in image and vector formats (e.g. PNG,
Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator)”
Victor: could you send a copy of the logo in Vector Format to the mailing
list, as per the original intention ?
Thanks
Paul
*Sent:* 09 February 2012 09:32
*To:* developer discussions
*Subject:* Re: [mantisbt-dev] Misleading descriptions of MantisBT forks
at github

1. Logo in Vector Format - I'll have the logo in Adobe Illustrator

format as well as PNG format.
Please also SVG , so we could use open source solutions like Inkscape to
modify whatever we want.
At least it will show us whether Illustrator SVG export and Inkscape's PNG
rendering will produce the same result.
If the Inkscape output is different (I don't expect a 100% bit identical
output), but what you can see is ok, we should use this one.
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[Damien Regad]

Post by Victor Boctor
The vector graphics are available for use by the project, and I gave the
logo to Damien before to set avatar on some site, but I just wasn’t sure
about having in the mantisbt repository without having usage guidelines
in place.
1. Share it in the mantibt-tools repository
2. Share it in a private git repository
3. Share it and distribute it with mantisbt

I personally think that *3* is the best option, but I can live with 1 as
well. Don't really see the point of 2.

Post by Victor Boctor
We should publish the logo and usage guidelines for the logo at the same
time. For example, can other sites alter the logo, does it have to link
back to our website, can it be printed on merchandise, etc. I haven’t
done the research to see what other projects are doing in this space.
But seems like Paul is motivated to do the research.

I'm fine with having reasonable usage guidelines / terms&conditions,
whatever you want to call them, as long as somebody other than me takes
care of writing them ;-) I'll gladly review any proposal.

[Paul Richards]

Ok, I’ve just drafted some rough text to start brain storming key points.



* One of the “problems” with writing anything for use of MantisBT/Logo etc, is if you look at other projects, they normally have a clear owner/company behind them, who have gone through trademark process etc at which point, writing usage guidelines becomes easy.

* Whilst one could work out who/what would be involved in registering a trademark for mantisbt officially, my vague understanding is that they can only be registered for specific purposes, may or may not be able to be got internationally, and I believe can be hard to enforce.

* Therefore, approach I’d probably propose Is along lines of what I’ve started drafting out below:

o We look at licensing the logo under a creative commons license – requiring attribution and for non-commercial use.

o Any use of the logo that can be deemed as promoting mantis is licensed

o If the logo is used, a link/text back to mantisbt.org should be somewhere clear to make sure it’s appreciated that the use if related to mantisbt.

o If the logo is used the text font / image itself should not be modified (colour changes are ‘ok’)

o Anything outside of that is against the copyright /license of the logo.



Whilst I’ve not done it with the text so far, I think that the main purpose should be to encourage people to think about us and play fair as opposed to going down some enforcement approach.





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* A plugin for MantisBT

* A MantisBT user group selling MantisBT t-shirts

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* Creating a fork called “BetterMantis”

* A company or organisation selling MantisBT t-shirts



The MantisBT Logo is available in three forms:



a) As a symbol without text



If embedded the symbol, the symbol should be left unmodified, so that it is clear that it represents the MantisBT project.

b) As a logo with text



The text and font in this logo should be left un-modified. You may change the colour of the text to fit into the website design.



c) As a “powered by” logo with text

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You may use the "powered by" logos to let the world know that your site or product is built with MAntisBT. The powered by logos should be hyperlinked back to www.mantisbt.org <http://www.mantisbt.org> and provided this is the case, can be used for any purpose.





Use and modifications outside of the above, are then not allowed, as the MantisBT logo and artwork is copyright of its original authors.